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Post by ian on Mar 30, 2021 20:19:22 GMT
Looks good Bruce - it'll be interesting to see the results.
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Post by ian on Mar 30, 2021 20:40:59 GMT
Trying to work out the fork oil capacity now. There's no manuals available, & google's drawn a blank. If they are 33mm I would go with the 190ml as the SD. But I think they the 35mm forks? 260ml? Then the VT250FD may be a good comparator perhaps.... at 265ml The XBR500 has longer stanchions and an extra 18ml over the VT.. Thanks John, that's interesting. The GB forks are 33mm, same as the SD. The overall length of the SD forks is about 1cm longer than the GB. Another bike I looked at is the Rebel CMX250 - Gill's had a couple & I still have the manual, which gives the oil capacity as 234cc. It also gives the level, 129mm. Haven't got one to measure anymore, but as more of a cruiser I guess the forks are a bit longer. Stanchions, cases & springs are all different part numbers to the GB, but rebound spring, bush, both seals & the cap bolt are all the same. I think the later SD's 190cc is a good compromise
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Post by na44superdream on Mar 31, 2021 11:41:43 GMT
If they are 33mm I would go with the 190ml as the SD. But I think they the 35mm forks? 260ml? Then the VT250FD may be a good comparator perhaps.... at 265ml The XBR500 has longer stanchions and an extra 18ml over the VT.. Thanks John, that's interesting. The GB forks are 33mm, same as the SD. The overall length of the SD forks is about 1cm longer than the GB. Another bike I looked at is the Rebel CMX250 - Gill's had a couple & I still have the manual, which gives the oil capacity as 234cc. It also gives the level, 129mm. Haven't got one to measure anymore, but as more of a cruiser I guess the forks are a bit longer. Stanchions, cases & springs are all different part numbers to the GB, but rebound spring, bush, both seals & the cap bolt are all the same. I think the later SD's 190cc is a good compromise The GB certainly is pretty unique, I thing the the stanchions were only used on two GB models within the parts book I was looking at (in Japanese).
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Post by marktrower on Mar 31, 2021 18:08:59 GMT
quick delivery from DS the oil filter spring and washer.I would never have known if it was not for bigginger thread that i have been running around without them nevermind no harm done.the felt washer is not superdream that's earlier tech .
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Post by ian on Mar 31, 2021 19:26:10 GMT
All 3 of my SDs (& Gill 250 Ninja, which used a similar filter) were missing that washer, oil sticks the pesky things to the old filter & they get chucked away with it - nearly done it myself a few times since I fitted washers
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Post by ian on Mar 31, 2021 20:28:25 GMT
Thanks John, that's interesting. The GB forks are 33mm, same as the SD. The overall length of the SD forks is about 1cm longer than the GB. Another bike I looked at is the Rebel CMX250 - Gill's had a couple & I still have the manual, which gives the oil capacity as 234cc. It also gives the level, 129mm. Haven't got one to measure anymore, but as more of a cruiser I guess the forks are a bit longer. Stanchions, cases & springs are all different part numbers to the GB, but rebound spring, bush, both seals & the cap bolt are all the same. I think the later SD's 190cc is a good compromise The GB certainly is pretty unique, I thing the the stanchions were only used on two GB models within the parts book I was looking at (in Japanese). Yep, I thought sharing the engine with the UK market CBX250RS meant at least engine spares would be easy to get - the lack of gaskets shattered that illusion, I didn't know they only sold about 300 here, so not much demand for spares. I don't know if the CMS parts diagrams are factory derived, but they don't always paint the full picture. An example is the damper pipe in the GB forks; the parts diagram says it's used in 4 models, all GB250s but looking for compatible parts in other models, I found it was replacement part for the CB250RSD So I reckon the earlier RS part number should fit the GB - managed to get one from Silvers for a tenner, it'll be a handy spare if I ever overhaul the forks & knacker the pipe drilling that bolt out.
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Post by ian on Apr 8, 2021 20:51:23 GMT
Got the taper steering bearings fitted in the GB250 today. Usual hassle, including loose headlight brackets. I would've nipped to the hardware shop for a couple of these plumbing fittings which I've used on the SDs Lockdown snookered that, but having done a few SDs & RSs, I've saved some of the original seals from the bottom of the headstock - should do the job They fitted nicely under the top rubber in the brackets with trial fit of the forks (the rubbers look the same as those used in the SD) Meanwhile, these arrived today, a pair of pattern SD fork dust seals & the nos RS damper tube, which looks like it's seen better days - maybe that should be oos, not nos The bag came with the hole in it, probably had to remove the part to work out what it was, hence the hand written part number Doesn't look nos does it? The GB usually has fork gaiters but I'm not keen, so I'm hoping the SD dust seals will fit instead, so that's next, along with fresh fork oil
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Post by na44superdream on Apr 8, 2021 21:11:52 GMT
Components like that are why assembled most of my fork sets, I think they are best kept assembled with the fork oil preserving them...
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Post by BruceB on Apr 8, 2021 21:52:26 GMT
I decided on a marginal performance front suspension to use all NOS parts. The only part that is not new is the Springs inside, for about £250 I managed to track all the parts down NOS and build them up. I did find that the alloy fork legs had two slightly different finishes but once fitted with the wheel in between you can't tell them apart. Incidentally I need a front mudguard, anybody do a decent replica? Once that looks like the original? David Silvers seems to do one but it is OOS
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Post by ian on Apr 9, 2021 20:32:35 GMT
Can't complain at a tenner & the oos damper tube cleaned up ok with a bit of ACF50. With any luck I won't need it, I should be able to drill the bolt head off without damaging the damper if I end up stripping the forks in the future, and with enough of the bolt left to weld a nut on to extract it. Might be wrong here, but iirc it was Silvers who had the replica muddy manufactured, but I'm sure they'll come back in stock.
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Post by na44superdream on Apr 9, 2021 21:20:27 GMT
i was having problems with some master cylinder cap screws today, was nicely milling them with a 3mm ball nose and the rotary tool chuck failed (moments from success ). So 4.2mm left hand drill on order, to complete. If that Cap Screw is M8 as the superdream, a 6~6.1mm / 1/4" does it nicely, and self centres in the M6 Hex (though it's about 8 years since I've done one).
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Post by ian on Apr 10, 2021 20:41:55 GMT
Thanks John, that's helpful to know. It is 8mm, same as the SD, but looks to have a shallower socket (that's how I knackered it - my excuse & I'm sticking to it ). The SD part number is 90116283010, superseded by 90116383721, which is the GB part number. I put some oil in the forks today. I settled on 200cc per leg, slightly less than drained out. On checking the level, it was just over 150mm. I checked through various manuals I have lying around & apart from off road models, the highest was 150mm for my old CB500, so I removed a few cc to bring the level to that - about 190cc now, same as the SDs. The SD dust seals fitted - just. Would've been perfect if I removed the existing seals, but I only want them for cosmetics to cover the groove round the fork leg, which they do ok & I prefer the look to gaiters. Anyway all back together now. A test run this morning on one up the hill from ours on one of the bumpiest roads on the island & the suspension seems fine, so I'm happy with the fork oil quantity We went on a longer ride to Peel this afternoon & the GB performed ok, plus the speedo squeal has gone, so it's out the workshop now & my 400NA is in for it's service....
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Post by BruceB on Apr 10, 2021 22:55:21 GMT
Nothing on bikes this weekend so far, taking the engine and gearbox out my Landrover project and starting to assemble my Powdercoating cabinet now its painted
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Post by ian on Apr 11, 2021 20:45:01 GMT
That looks heavy! Last time I took a car engine out was my 2L Capri many years ago, got every thing disconnected & ready to go & was scratching my head wondering how to lift it when my next door neighbour looked in & just lifted it out & stuck it on my bench
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Post by BruceB on Apr 13, 2021 20:59:25 GMT
I used to lift crossflow engine out of Escorts by hand in the street and carry them three flights of stairs up to the house to rebuild them. Wouldn't like to try that nowadays Anyway got cabinet pretty much finished now so I can hopefully start blasting and coating all the small brackets and stuff and move on with the build. I should really fit some clips to hold the filter in but the air pressure keeps in sealed and in place anyway. I might fit some sort of swivel arrangement but in reality the static charge makes things coat round the back anyway. I only have a domestic oven in the garage to bake so there was no point making it much bigger than what would fit in there!
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