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Post by Phil on Jul 8, 2016 9:38:51 GMT
I expect a few of you have already checked out this web site in the past but can these numbers really ring true? It looks like it only goes up to 2015 but all the same if the numbers are real then my CB250NA is really getting quite rare. When you realise that they sold 700k Superdreams worldwide that's quite shocking. Think I'll be hanging onto mine.   |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 10:32:08 GMT
These figures are really inaccurate I reckon. It has been discussed before.
For example - most CB250NA were not registered as that on their log books.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 10:44:27 GMT
Yes, most bikes of the era not recorded with a model name, so that site although interesting is wildly inaccurate.
My feeling is that the 2 most common SD models are the 250NA in black and the 250NDB in blue?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 11:06:04 GMT
Yeah I'd be inclined to agree with that Paul.
Oddly the CB400N-A in black seems rarer compared to the only other colour they offered it on over here (the metallic red).
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Post by na44superdream on Jul 8, 2016 14:02:34 GMT
Not very accurate, I've got one CB250NA on the road, and two in pieces with V5s, just for starters  |
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Post by carlthebandit on Jul 8, 2016 20:41:01 GMT
I agree with crouchy, I also think candy red is the rarest in the deluxe model?
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Post by Phil on Jul 8, 2016 22:35:55 GMT
I agree with crouchy, I also think candy red is the rarest in the deluxe model? Not sure how colours got into this the list only lists types. becides no colour can really be said to be rare, all you have to do is re paint it to what ever takes your fancy or to what colour is in fashion at any one time. as I've said before mine started its life as a black one but as I've always had a soft spot for the Tanzanite Blue that's the colour I went with. i wonder where these lists are getting their information from then if it's not correct. I thought it was actually being taken from the government/DVLA data base so surly they should know exactly how many of any car or bike is currently taxed on the road or Sorn. hell they know enough to make sure you're tax is up to date. Obviously there are going to be more in existence rotting in people's sheds and garages but most of these would have to have the log book brought back up to date. Have you never had a vehicle that you've owned for a long time and lost the log book years ago? you have to re apply for a new log book. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 22:36:36 GMT
I don't like the way that most of the 'follow the heard' UK Daily Fail culture believe data like this - and are sucked in by it.
Hopefully no one has ever shelled out money for such guff info.
These are bogus stats - and the people putting them out there should know damn well better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 22:48:46 GMT
I agree with crouchy, I also think candy red is the rarest in the deluxe model? I thought it was actually being taken from the government/DVLA data base so surly they should know exactly how many of any car or bike is currently taxed on the road or Sorn. And therein lies the problem...they don't, Phil. And selling bogus data like this that folk believe should be made illegal. My god, if I worked there I would shake up that department. I recently helped a member on this forum get a registration number from his frame number alone .......after he was told by the DVLA that 'no data was held'. |
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Post by Phil on Jul 8, 2016 23:04:57 GMT
I thought it was actually being taken from the government/DVLA data base so surly they should know exactly how many of any car or bike is currently taxed on the road or Sorn. And therein lies the problem. I recently helped a member get a registration number from his VIN.......after he was told by the DVLA that 'no data was held'. I rest my case. So presumably if he needed the reg number for a particular Vin that means the bike he was building was not registered? If that's the case I'm not surprised no data was held. How can they possibly keep info on every vehicle ever produced. there must come a point where they drop off the list somewhere. i wonder how many people who have stripes cars and bikes for spares have actually done what they were supposed to and declare it scrapped. there must be tons of vehicles out there in people's garages with no currant up to date paperwork and on the flip side I've still got paperwork for vehicles that no longer exist. i don't get any requests from the DVLA to tax them, I haven't moved home so can only assume they've dropped off the system. Its an interesting subject that I think I'll look into a bit more in search of some definitive answers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 23:45:37 GMT
What it means is that someone can find a bike in a skip without a number plate on it - but have the VIN and engine number....and (in two cases now) the data was in the end (i.e the desired REGISTRATION NUMBER) was actually held by the DVLA even though their computer system said that it did not exist from its VIN (because there are many formats that the VIN can exist on a log book) - and I successfully proved that these bikes did exist - merely because of how the bikes did or did not appear on their log books - i.e whatever their person typed in to the computer upon registration way back when.....I got the reg's (in both cases) via an HPI system. Basically I proved the DVLA wrong - second time now that I've done it as I said.
And it backwardly proves that all this 'how many left' data is also not accurate.....because bikes and cars appear on log books as differing things...an example. Six different ways in which THE EXACT SAME MODEL of CB250N Superdream can be represented on a log book - and each entry would come out as zero or one on a search for 'numbers left' such as this:
Honda CB250N
Honda
Honda CB 250
Honda CB250NA
Honda CB250-N
Honda CB250N-A
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Post by BritPete on Jul 9, 2016 6:35:55 GMT
Would agree with everything said about the DVLA - jobs worth
My Triumph 3TA - I know it was originally registered as PNJ 195 - the original registers in Southampton show it as Triumph Motorcycle - I have a tax disc from the bike with the reg number on - Can prove it was delivered to the dealer who registered it - The fight goes on to get the original plate back
At some point the DVLA had a purge and vehicles that could not be traced were removed from the registers
I have the log book for TCL73K (Ariel moped) look it up on www.vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ does not exist - it went to the scrap yard but never notified to the DVLA as scrapped - was not taxed after 1979 
Look up JTN 156 X - my first bike
it shows that it is still registered but not in use
I think that the SORN rule only applied to vehicles that were taxed at the point the rule was introduced or have since been taxed
The above example JTN156X does not require a SORN but may still exist - if I could trace it I would buy it back as I still have the original receipt when I bought it but alas more than likely it has ben melted down and is now ...... well who knows |
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Post by carlthebandit on Jul 9, 2016 8:05:01 GMT
I was so pleased Fungobat sorted my v5 for the skip Superdream as it turned out to be a low mileage one owner 1981 model deluxe tax expired 1985 another one coming back from the grave, like zombies these super dreams |
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Post by charlie on Aug 20, 2016 11:44:22 GMT
The "How many left" website is fairly inaccurate as Fungobat says, but if you have nerdish tendencies it's possible to go to the Department of Transport site and download the spreadsheets that the How many left" webmaster uses as his source data.
When you have the full data it's possible to filter on make and engine size for instance and get a better idea of how many actually are left.
I tried it for my bike - a 1978 400N - and which ever way you look at it there aren't too many of those around!
Something the D.O.T site doesn't have is engine / frame numbers and I've always been curious if mine is a rarity. The frame number is 20000196 - which I presume means it was the 176th bike imported. Does that make sense?
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Post by bugsy on Aug 21, 2016 18:02:37 GMT
Yes, a bit of work with data in the form of a spreadsheet can be very revealing - I used to analyse data for schools (attendance, reasons for absence etc) and it was always an eye opener for them. Dunno why they didn't do it for themselves. Anyway, enlighten me, why is frame number ending 196 the 176th import? Or is it a typo? Nerdish tendencies me...
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