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Post by srx600 on May 20, 2016 9:26:56 GMT
Hi All Apparently their is an issue with aqua blasting and everyone is swapping to walnut shell. As you will be aware aluminium is soft and some have been using metal or hard media during the blasting. Its ok on the outside but then they get the inside of the cases done as well and the media has been sticking to the alloy. Which is ok till you fill with oil and heat the engine up, causing the media to dislodge and screw the bearing up a few hundred miles down the road. Not the best really..
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Post by paulsd1 on May 22, 2016 18:43:26 GMT
thanks for sharing this information
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 19:16:16 GMT
Hi All Apparently their is an issue with aqua blasting and everyone is swapping to walnut shell. As you will be aware aluminium is soft and some have been using metal or hard media during the blasting. Its ok on the outside but then they get the inside of the cases done as well and the media has been sticking to the alloy. Which is ok till you fill with oil and heat the engine up, causing the media to dislodge and screw the bearing up a few hundred miles down the road. Not the best really.. Just noticed this statement Chris- which although alarmist lacks any detail of who/what/where is claiming vapour blasting is the process that is wrecking so many engines? Any sources for your claims? There's a 40 year old multi-million pound industry based on this process which I don't really think is going to hold its breath on this BTW! Entrapment of blasting media in the substrate of treated alloy parts has always been a well known phenomena and risk to be managed. Almost exclusively concerning the older dry blasting processes. Plenty of information out there on the interweb going back 20 years or more- maybe its the same old misinformation resurfacing again....
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Post by wazzbo on May 22, 2016 20:53:13 GMT
I`ve had plenty of vapour blasting done, and haven`t had a problem, if the blaster knows what they are doing its not a problem, its when the cowboys get in on the act you get the problems. That`s my opinion anyway..
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Post by srx600 on May 23, 2016 7:35:04 GMT
In this statement I said "Apparently" their is an issue with aqua blasting. Which does not mean that their is a problem. Like its been said if the blaster knows what they are doing its not a problem, but we the customer must know whats going on and what media is being used.Plus we must know the correct media to use. But saying that, my friend has mates in the vintage circles that have had issues.But that could also be down to not cleaning parts correctly before assembly.Which can be difficult in some circumstances. I have used walnut shell for dry blasting in the past but never had used it for wet blasting. Or at least if they where using walnut shell they did not say that they where.
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 20:17:05 GMT
Ah- OK just something you had heard from a friend of a friends friend rather than anything specific- I thought you had been burnt by some dodgy vapour blasting- or knew someone who had. Nobody uses walnut shell for wet blasting- it's a dry blasting only process. It has its specific uses in industry and is pretty mild as an abrasive with the advantage of also having a slight polishing action. And saying you have had your parts blasted with walnut shell sexes up the restoration story a bit. Soda blasting and dry ice blasting are similarly exotic and sexy sounding- but very expensive as the media cannot be re-used. Both dry blasting processes. I agree though that something is happening in the industry and for the worse- hence my interest in your claims about everybody switching away from wet blasting? They are not, but standards are dropping. Vapour blasting has always relied on the "wow" factor- show a part before and after blasting and everybody goes.... well you get it. But over the last few years anyone with a few grand to spare to buy a cabinet seems to have got into the act- because big bucks can be made from the poor ignorant punter. I have a vested interest of course, so will leave it there- but if you ever do have definite evidence that the vapour blasting process in itself- rather than dodgy operators- is wrecking engines I would love to hear about it? I'm still building a client base for my own services- but I am shocked by how many parts are being brought to me that have already been done somewhere else....badly. Photos are difficult to show it- but both of the cases below were already blasted by a Welsh vapour blaster and returned to the customer "ready to fit". LH part is the other guy's effort- RH my re-blast using my process. The slight matt finish you see on the LH one is the shortcut these guys use to save time and effort. There is still gasket material on the flange and behind that steel baffle plate will be trapped glass and aluminium oxide media ready to wreck an engine. I have a whole box of similar parts to redo this week...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 21:14:06 GMT
And there was me thinking 'Media Blasting' was simply just a case of someone slating a newspaper. The Daily Fail for example.
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Post by davefirestorm on May 23, 2016 21:16:24 GMT
My experience of vapour blasting goes back to 1969 as an apprentice I would blast all sorts of bike/car parts and found bits blasted were left with a great finish but greasy fingers etc. left marks on surface,would always use lots of running water and later ultrasonic cleaning to get all grit out.Bits always polished up great and responsible vapour/aqua blasters will always remove the grit from parts,obviously like all processes things have moved on and my experience is very dated
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2016 21:40:38 GMT
That's the first sign that something "dodgy" has gone on with your vapour blasted parts- the fact that even the grease from your fingers leaves a mark. Exactly how I got the batch of parts above- the customer said every time he touched the parts it would leave a fingerprint! It's because the surface has been left open and porous by the abrasive. It should be a silky smooth "peened" finish- almost as if it has been sprayed with silver paint....
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Post by terryc on May 24, 2016 6:36:12 GMT
Having seen an example of your work on the Whitby run Paul I'd endorse your product and skills whole heartedly
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Post by srx600 on May 24, 2016 7:55:19 GMT
I'm always gob smacked by the beauty of the work you have been producing crouchy, Please keep it up...
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Post by davefirestorm on May 24, 2016 8:07:41 GMT
I'll second what Chris says,very impressed with your work.Another,process I used years ago was shot peening which I think was glass or plastic?? balls fired at component,we used it on titanium turbine blades and it left a nice finish similar to a scraped machine bed (showing me age now lol)Would love to start up little sideline in me brothers work premises,he's given me a small workarea on a mezanine floor area
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