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Post by chezzy71 on Mar 9, 2016 19:55:27 GMT
i hope you lot see where i am coming from here, but you lot are your own worst enemies..
every bike i have seen and think isn't to bad a price you lot say is over priced.
its normally the people like you lot that drive up prices thinking what you have is worth more than it is..
please please dont take this the wrong way though.. if any ones got a bike for sale at the prices you keep saying is about right for a mint bike let me know... lol
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Post by wazzbo on Mar 9, 2016 20:03:09 GMT
I think a bike is worth what you`re prepared to pay for it, some may think its expensive, others will think its a good price, there is only one person that decides whether to buy or not, that`s you. good luck with your search I hope you find something your happy with soon.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 20:11:17 GMT
I think the members on here will often devalue a bike because they know how much it really does cost to sort out the "minor" problems the seller describes or that are evident in the listing?
It has always been the case that you should buy the most expensive bike you can with most of the work already done.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 20:26:40 GMT
Exactly as Wazzbo says , if you're happy with the bike and its price that's all that matters . Happy with mine and less than £1k the pair  far from perfect or original but I know that and am happy with it  |
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Post by mikef on Mar 9, 2016 21:01:22 GMT
I think the above posts say it all, but I do get annoyed by the buy and sell brigade. By that I mean those that buy a tatty "classic bike", give it a "quick blow" over with a rattle can and generally tart it up with many wrong parts, then describe it as a "rare original"bike. They then advertise it at a vastly inflated price, just trying to make a "quick buck" as the saying goes. I suppose you can't blame anyone wanting to make some money, buying and selling, but some sellers are just going too far.
Does that make sense.
Mike.
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Post by chezzy71 on Mar 9, 2016 21:08:16 GMT
I think the above posts say it all, but I do get annoyed by the buy and sell brigade. By that I mean those that buy a tatty "classic bike", give it a "quick blow" over with a rattle can and generally tart it up with many wrong parts, then describe it as a "rare original"bike. They then advertise it at a vastly inflated price, just trying to make a "quick buck" as the saying goes. I suppose you can't blame anyone wanting to make some money, buying and selling, but some sellers are just going too far. Does that make sense. Mike. makes perfect sense i just want a nice clean example, does not need to be perfect or have every nut and bolt from factory but be presentable and mostly OEM |
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Post by wazzbo on Mar 9, 2016 21:10:14 GMT
Makes sense to me Mike, there are some rogues out there.
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Post by chezzy71 on Mar 9, 2016 21:31:19 GMT
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Post by wazzbo on Mar 9, 2016 21:34:03 GMT
They are both tidy bikes chezzy.
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Post by mikef on Mar 9, 2016 21:43:25 GMT
Hi Chezzy.
Good luck with your purchase, whichever one you choose to buy. When I wanted to buy a classic bike, I was given some advice.
Knowledge of what you are buying and join a club. I think you are going about things the right way. Members on here have intimate knowledge of the models and I am sure can guide you.
If it's any consolation, it took me two years of searching to find the right BSA Bantam to restore, but at the end of the day felt that I had made the right choice.
The Superdream was a bit more of a random choice as I had little knowledge of the marque, but as luck would have it, it's not turned out too bad with a little help from my friends.
Good luck.
Mike.
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Post by chezzy71 on Mar 9, 2016 22:00:45 GMT
there is another post on here for the red one ( there is a video ) attachment on ebay and a comment about the engine being a bit noisy ( please comment ) as i am not sure
his reserve is £950 and it does need some bits to make right, but its very low miles...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2016 22:36:47 GMT
One very tiny snippet of advice, Chezzy. If you are interested in buying a Superdream or any parts for them, I wouldn't put it on the forum - especially on a public section open to all to see, such as this one.....not until you have safely won / bought it anyway. Some people are lazy - they want all the hard work searching done for them - if you have sought something out, keep it to yourself my mate - especially due to the situation you are currently in (trying to find a bit of a diamond in the dust). |
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Post by chezzy71 on Mar 10, 2016 8:45:02 GMT
One very tiny snippet of advice, Chezzy. If you are interested in buying a Superdream or any parts for them, I wouldn't put it on the forum - especially on a public section open to all to see, such as this one.....not until you have safely won / bought it anyway. Some people are lazy - they want all the hard work searching done for them - if you have sought something out, keep it to yourself my mate - especially due to the situation you are currently in (trying to find a bit of a diamond in the dust). I am hearing you, But every bike I seem to see for sale is already on here anyway and more often than not YOU have created a post for... So although that's what I would prefer to do, when your adding every bike that's up for sale on here that's never going to happen anyway Don't take this the wrong way but I was rather hoping you would stop doing that |
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Post by Harold on Mar 10, 2016 10:48:25 GMT
i hope you lot see where i am coming from here, but you lot are your own worst enemies.. every bike i have seen and think isn't to bad a price you lot say is over priced. its normally the people like you lot that drive up prices thinking what you have is worth more than it is.. please please dont take this the wrong way though.. if any ones got a bike for sale at the prices you keep saying is about right for a mint bike let me know... lol Chezzy I think your post seems to be slightly contradictory the first part accuses people on the forum of under valuing bikes and then the second sentence implies that they over value their bikes, they can't be doing both. I also think it could be taken as just a wee bit offensive to the people on the forum. The truth is most of the people on here know they would never get back financially what they have put in to the bikes they restore but then again that was never the intention for any of them. There are a number of people on here who know the Superdream inside out and you will not find anywhere else with the same amount of combined knowledge about Superdreams. A lot of bikes on Ebay are overpriced and a lot of the people on here know that because they know how much would be involved in making the thing even reasonably presentable. Most of the people on here I would also say already own a Superdream and in fact quite a few own more than they originally intended so I would say the forum has very little influence on actual bike prices on ebay, I would say the actual prices are more to do with people thinking that there are people foolish enough to pay big prices for anything remotely "classic" I think whole bikes (Superdreams) will become harder to locate as in all honesty if it's a shabby one it is probably worth more in bits than it is whole. I bought my 1980 CB250NA 3 or 4 years ago for £250 it was a runner and mostly complete but I reckon by the time I have finished it will have cost me somewhere in the region of £2000 and in all honesty will be far from a perfect nut and bolt restoration. Would I value the bike at £2000 when finished ? Absolutely not but that is partly the reason the folks on here often say of a bike "It's overpriced" because they know from experience what it costs to restore / renovate one. As people have already said, if you are happy with the price you paid or are willing to pay then that is all that matters, it's your money. I would say that if you plan to buy and restore a Superdream then you will find the accrued knowledge on here invaluable and also financially advantageous as it will help you avoid the costly mistakes most of us have made at one time or another. I would like to wish you well in your search and hope you find a bike your happy with and look forward to following your restoration on the forum. Good Luck |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 10:58:34 GMT
Don't take this the wrong way Chezzy mate- but we might be scrabbling to understand what it is you want in your new bike? All the info seems to be one way at the moment- and yes by the time you spot a bike it will probably have been found by a a few members already- and usually posted up and commented on. But it can be difficult to spot new posts- use the "New Threads" link at the top and maybe chip in rather than start a parallel thread on the same bike? How much do you have to spend? What standard do you expect? Rider? Original? Low mileage? Restore Project? For instance the bike you said you were originally going to look at- This one? Nice bike, you can ride it away with current MOT after beating the price down. Come to the meets on it will be great fun! Paintwork/Decals are a joke though- so if you can't live with them (you might be able to- we don't know!) then factor in £250ish minimum for a respray and proper decals. Oh, but it also has the dreaded handlebar dent, maybe more. Its got the wrong indicators- look nice but correct for the earlier Hondas. Can you live with them? Looks like the fork ears are butchered to fit, so maybe have to factor in a set of new ears to get the proper flashers back on. £100 to sort- depends on whether you fit pattern or NOS. Like the Motad? Fine and a few members bikes have them. But if you want to return it to 2-2 then factor in £250 to the skys the limit to put silencers, headers, balancer box and hangers back on- depends on pattern or Honda. If you find a new Honda silencer then PM me- I will swap one of Dave's kidneys for it! The spray painted engine and a lot of the bike bits around it- will look ok from a distance...... or pay lots to sort it? Up to you. Then we can get picky- would the fitting of that aftermarket seat cover be ok for you? Way off centreline- but would you notice or bother? Entirely up to you and your expectations- but if that bike runs and starts well, has a nice quiet camchain- a quick check of the balancer shows plenty of adjust left, the mileage looks proper and it has the correct frame/engine numbers. Could be a nice bike! There's 50 quid off just for pointing out the front muddy is on backwards- and only 10 minutes to fix! We are very good on here on dissecting a bike and pointing out where it differs from original and the pitfalls to avoid- and I admit it can seem negative. But you are just getting the facts to make your own decision.... |
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