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Post by stevegbr on Sept 5, 2014 9:46:00 GMT
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Post by terryc on Sept 5, 2014 11:31:11 GMT
I wont be watching it Steve too many negative waves for my liking
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Post by stevegbr on Sept 5, 2014 12:45:24 GMT
no problem terry.
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Post by mansell on Sept 6, 2014 9:07:39 GMT
The video has been released by Norfolk Police as part of a road safety campaign. Hopefully someone will benefit from its release. It does make you think. 97 mph, No time to react.
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Post by john4365 on Sept 7, 2014 16:59:42 GMT
One of the reasons I got a Superdream is that they don't go very fast. Sure you can die at slower speeds but there is less chance.
It was a brave decision for his family to allow the release of the video, so hopefully the video will make bikers think twice about the potential consequences of riding fast. Worst bit for me is the anguished cry when he realises what's about to happen. RIP David Holmes.
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Post by Fordy on Sept 7, 2014 21:40:36 GMT
After much thought I did watch this and found it very moving, this really does make you think , and while I will never do 97mph we must all be at the top of our game at all times.
Ride safe.
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Post by daz66 on Sept 8, 2014 10:57:53 GMT
I wonder whether he was riding that fast due to the fact that he DID have a camera on his bike and wanted something to show his mates, he got that alright!!
I sometimes wonder at the reason for having cameras on things, it seems to me that more often the camera is used to prove a point (especially with cyclists) and that maybe if the camera where not in use then the situations would not arise.
I know Graham B is from this neck of the woods and I myself have driven this road previously, its not a great road for overtaking and being a main route into Norwich is usually busy most of the time. I don't think that I would ever try to ride/drive as fast as this chap on this particular road having driven it before.
However we all make our own decisions based on our ability and the way we are feeling at the time, most of the time our actions have very little affect sometimes this differs, I imagine that if all parties could take back their actions that day then the driver would have looked twice as a bike closing in at 97mph will need a second look, and the rider may just have slowed a little.
I know that over my 30 odd year on the road I have sped, sometimes a little, sometimes excessively, at the time I thought that I was OK, so far I have been. Over the last 10 years I've slowed a bit due to having kids but I still like a little blast every now and again but usually where I think its safe, but who knows what can happen!!?
I hope this video will make some people think especially the younger ones who feel invincible, because usually their folks will feel the pain of their passing more, a potential never fulfilled etc.
Ride safe guys.
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Post by stevellew on Sept 8, 2014 11:24:37 GMT
Like you said a video on a motorbike is usually on there to record the bike at speed or something silly !! but there has been a few videos on this forum of our members riding their SD with a nice piece full ride with the engine perring so let's all keep it that way members
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Post by daz66 on Sept 8, 2014 13:18:24 GMT
Like you said a video on a motorbike is usually on there to record the bike at speed or something silly !! but there has been a few videos on this forum of our members riding their SD with a nice piece full ride with the engine perring so let's all keep it that way members Steve I hear you and agree there are some fantastic vids around that show some really good rides, its just trying to keep that little demon on your shoulder quiet, you know the one that eggs you on!!
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Post by Harold on Sept 8, 2014 14:35:55 GMT
It was a brave decision by his family to release the video to help raise awareness of the risks. We have all had scares and near misses I'm sure, this video proves you always have to be 100% focused when riding and even then there's no guarantee that someone elses mistake won't cost you dear. In my opinion regardless of what speed he was doing the driver had a clear view of the road ahead and must have seen him coming. I have asked drivers who don't ride if they saw a bike coming but reckoned they should get out OK would they still go ahead, most truthful people say probably, asked the same question swapping the bike for an artic, most answer no. I think peoples perception of the danger posed to them plays a part in their decisions to pull out or not, I think it's nearly a sub-conscious thing. Deepest Sympathy to David's family and friends and thanks to them for making such a brave decision.
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Post by Fordy on Sept 8, 2014 16:52:37 GMT
I have to say I feel great sympathy for the car driver also, at 97 MPH he was there in the blink of an eye and at 60 MPH there was probably no accident, so blame on both sides.
They have to live with the consequences for the rest of their lives.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2014 18:11:34 GMT
This is a shocking video.....but if it raises awareness then it's a good thing. I agree blame on both sides. A man lost his life but, as Fordy says, the accident will never leave the car driver's mind.....he must have suffered to, and I don't mean from injury alone.
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Post by stevellew on Sept 8, 2014 20:26:50 GMT
Like you said a video on a motorbike is usually on there to record the bike at speed or something silly !! but there has been a few videos on this forum of our members riding their SD with a nice piece full ride with the engine perring so let's all keep it that way members Steve I hear you and agree there are some fantastic vids around that show some really good rides, its just trying to keep that little demon on your shoulder quiet, you know the one that eggs you on!! Totally agree with you daz I had an enduro bike for some time and I had some nasty offs but with no serious damage except black eyes and shook up and bruised a little that sort of thing, but oh what fun !! but I had all the body armour you could get, but there's so much more danger with miss use of a road bike, and I met quite a few guys my age that had gone from road bikes to enduro bikes for their fun because they had the misfortune of seeing friends have serious and fatal accidents on road bikes. My self I have not had that many road bikes and not really had a need for speed on a bike well not to much anyway on a road bike but when I had my Harley I spent many a Sunday just plodding around the Brecon Beacons with super bikes going so fast past me they scared the crap out of me but on every bend I was able to see all the loose fine stones on every bend and still wonder to this day how I never seen those bikers that flew past me wrapped in the nearest tree and that's one reason that puts me off riding like a twat !! I know that we have probably all done it at some time, so thanks to the police and the parents of David I hope that lots of bikers will learn to ride more safely and most of all every body on this forum take care and happy riding all.
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Post by scania on Sept 23, 2014 23:26:44 GMT
After some hesitation I watched this video, it is not gory as one is not looking at the rider (RIP) or accident directly, instead one is looking at the camera view ahead. It is very sad however, hearing the guy shout, then the crash, then a motionless camera on the ground. Also the photos and preview about David's life makes one feel like one already knows David before the crash, he comes across like a nice honest friendly guy who would be an excellent friend, neighbour or work mate.
All the same I think I will never forget this video, also since watching it I have been much more safety conscious when out on the road, especially in my van, at junctions I make an extra glance now before pulling out. Every now and then a motorcyclist looses his life to a crash in Ireland or the UK and I hear about it on RTE or BBC but I had never visualized it in this depth until watching this video. I admire the guys mother for agreeing to release this video, a lot of accidents will be prevented and lives saved because of it.
I am curious was 97mph the speed of the bike before braking or was 97mph the impact speed, I presume that the bike tried to slow as there was no swerve avoidance manoeuvre unless David had hoped that the car might continue on and get out of his path in time.
Also would it be more likely that the driver did not see the bike at all as the car started turning or would it have been that the driver saw the bike but misjudged the speed of the bike ?
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Post by marktrower on Sept 24, 2014 12:09:35 GMT
THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO ME THE DRIVERS DO NOT SEE US BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT LOOKING FOR MOTORCYCLISTS AND CYCLISTS BUT THAT SPEED IS NO HELP
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