willy3pigs
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Post by willy3pigs on Oct 15, 2024 19:13:32 GMT
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Post by BruceB on Oct 15, 2024 22:36:11 GMT
I have a 1966 BSA, an original one even rarer than the Goldstar, A Spitfire Mk11. Would I ever want a new modern indian built one? Absolutely not. I don't consider them real BSA's just like I don't consider modern RE real RE's. If I wanted another classic bike I would simply buy a classic bike, a real one.
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Post by duffer on Oct 16, 2024 12:57:01 GMT
Great timing. I saw this review, but the positive reviews were in the majority. Having owned an run a 650 AJS as my daily rider for over 15 years, I know what a classic should feel like. I borrowed one of these, and personal I was impressed. It is not trying to be an original, but there is a growing market for the retro look. Take it as a compliment. The price has come down and the warranty is now 4 years. I pick this up on Saturday. If it turns into a bag of shite and a massive loss, I will report back. But for now I'm taking a chance on it.
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Post by BruceB on Oct 16, 2024 18:31:41 GMT
I used to have the equivalent Matchless G!2 650 and really liked it, eventually sold it and used the money towards the Spitfire. However I now have a 56 Matchless G11 600 in boxes awaiting a rebuild that I picked up for £500 a couple of years ago so eventually will have one again!.
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Post by marktrower on Oct 16, 2024 18:54:47 GMT
the bike game is getting as bad as the pub game 3 big franchises gone under this month sales of new bikes down.this is just my view of a modern retro little or no development readily available of the self parts you slag the chinese for doing it but put a british name on the tank all good .i have 5 brits age from 1948 to 1974 not got them as they were what i dreamed i wanted in the day i would not give them back garden room in the day .nostalga i do not do it bikes i have had i do not want again and i will not pay what they want today.the problem with old bikes they are high maintenance if that's your thing but we are a minority most want to turn a key press a button and away you go thats what i want most of the time but i am a thick FK .apart from a nine R there is not a bike on the market i would replace what i have got .i do not care what its called and what it can do if its got two wheels and a engine it will put a big grin on my face and i have road some s**t in my time
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Post by BruceB on Oct 16, 2024 19:44:58 GMT
The newest bike I have is a Mk1 Suzuki Bandit 600, just because I wanted one at the time. Everything else dates back to the 50's 60's and 70's. I have no interest in modern bikes, but then again I can use or not use them as I feel and don't have to ride them to work like when I was much yojnger. believe it or not The Superdream is the second youngest bike I have! Just picked up another last month which I always hankered for , a 1973 CB750K.
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Post by daveh on Oct 19, 2024 21:19:46 GMT
Great timing. I saw this review, but the positive reviews were in the majority. Having owned an run a 650 AJS as my daily rider for over 15 years, I know what a classic should feel like. I borrowed one of these, and personal I was impressed. It is not trying to be an original, but there is a growing market for the retro look. Take it as a compliment. The price has come down and the warranty is now 4 years. I pick this up on Saturday. If it turns into a bag of shite and a massive loss, I will report back. But for now I'm taking a chance on it. Be interested to hear how you get on Duffer. I saw those recent reviews on the new BSA. Seems that it's about 50/ 50 if you get a good one. Hope yours is one of them!
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Post by duffer on Oct 20, 2024 7:25:54 GMT
As requested. I will try not to be too biased. I collected it yesterday from the dealer in Crewe. I had never bought a new bike before and the dealer was very helpful, answered all my questions, and understood my doubts. They also sell Royal Enfield, so they are experienced in dealing with suppliers that are initially looked at with suspicion. They knew about the mods that were needed since the bike was launched and carried them all out on each bike as it arrived. They explained engine management and the starting procedure with the fuel-injected engine. The bike had 3/4 tank of fuel in it and was just ready to go. Running-in was simply put as "don't be a pratt" go easy for 500 miles. It came with all the warranty emails and recovery service for the first year, which had not even been mentioned. The last thing said was please feel free to pop back with any questions, they would even adjust the chain later for me while I had a free coffee. The test ride was a fairly short affair, so this was the first proper day out. I set off from home (Nantwich) and headed through Market Drayton, towards Hodnet, and on to Shawbury. Then cut across to Wem for a brew at Shropshire Aero club. That took in a few long by-pass roads, plenty of smaller roads, bumps corners, and long level bits. Plenty has been written about the comfortable riding position, great handling, and that engine. It doesn't disappoint. For perspective, I owned and ran a "real" 1961 AJS 650 twin for over 15 years. It was temperamental to start if not run often. It had a gearbox that needed a positive operation. It vibrated and was not happy overtaking without momentum. It would only be happy cruising at 55 with an absolute top end of 70 or it truly would explode. It needed regular checks and spanner turning, yet still, most of the electrics didn't work. Wherever you moved it from, it always left a small pool of oil or something ? Oh, and I loved it. So without sounding like a fossil (Still not yet 60) what do people expect from a bike these days ? Absolutely none of that I recon. Perhaps the BSA is being compared to machines with endless power, pinpoint handling, sewing-machine smooth engine, the list goes on, and is that fair ? What I can say is it has the look and feel of the 1960's British bikes. It does start, it will overtake anything from 40-60 without a run-up. The vibration is almost non-existent. It does all the things I loved on the old AJS without the problems. The fastest I went was 60. In town, it needs 4th for 30mph or it will chug. It is a good, honest bobbler that can also go when modern traffic dictates. The fan came on a couple of times probably due to extra heat from a tight engine, but no drama. It also gathered a few fans wherever I parked up (Is it restored ? I thought they went out of business ? Have you customised and old one ?). I clocked up 75 miles and am absolutely delighted. I expect it to be fully run in before the Derbyshire trip in spring. I only need some period-looking paniers (Which BSA make) and I have a successor to my AJS, which was a pair of boots the Superdream couldn't quite fill. Depreciation ? It's a bike, not a portfolio.
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Post by marktrower on Oct 20, 2024 10:48:21 GMT
Enjoyed the bike duffer got a big fondness for singles always had one in some forum. What do you want for 5k new but if it did not have the bsa logo would you still buy one.i have two a a10 plunger restoring and a10 big valve sr both have modern tec to make them more rideable and reliable as my bikes are riders not drive cruisers. not had chance to have a go on one but the ones I have seen I like the Finnish and do sound well with a proper golde can on.i will stick with what I have when set up properly are easy to start and the SR will out perform most modern equivalents today at 62 years old.i just to be less enthusiastic with here as engine rebuilds are expensive. Enjoy the bike I know I would may are paths cross next year would be nice to have a natter
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Post by marktrower on Oct 20, 2024 15:03:41 GMT
at 62 she is still a looker and a lot better nick than me
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Post by BruceB on Oct 21, 2024 13:11:27 GMT
You can't beat an original old British Bike, the Spit is way faster than I would be brave enough to ride it.
I also used to have the G12 but sold it some years ago, have a project G11 to still build.
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Post by daveh on Oct 22, 2024 13:05:47 GMT
As requested. I will try not to be too biased. I collected it yesterday from the dealer in Crewe. I had never bought a new bike before and the dealer was very helpful, answered all my questions, and understood my doubts. They also sell Royal Enfield, so they are experienced in dealing with suppliers that are initially looked at with suspicion. They knew about the mods that were needed since the bike was launched and carried them all out on each bike as it arrived. They explained engine management and the starting procedure with the fuel-injected engine. The bike had 3/4 tank of fuel in it and was just ready to go. Running-in was simply put as "don't be a pratt" go easy for 500 miles. It came with all the warranty emails and recovery service for the first year, which had not even been mentioned. The last thing said was please feel free to pop back with any questions, they would even adjust the chain later for me while I had a free coffee. The test ride was a fairly short affair, so this was the first proper day out. I set off from home (Nantwich) and headed through Market Drayton, towards Hodnet, and on to Shawbury. Then cut across to Wem for a brew at Shropshire Aero club. That took in a few long by-pass roads, plenty of smaller roads, bumps corners, and long level bits. Plenty has been written about the comfortable riding position, great handling, and that engine. It doesn't disappoint. For perspective, I owned and ran a "real" 1961 AJS 650 twin for over 15 years. It was temperamental to start if not run often. It had a gearbox that needed a positive operation. It vibrated and was not happy overtaking without momentum. It would only be happy cruising at 55 with an absolute top end of 70 or it truly would explode. It needed regular checks and spanner turning, yet still, most of the electrics didn't work. Wherever you moved it from, it always left a small pool of oil or something ? Oh, and I loved it. So without sounding like a fossil (Still not yet 60) what do people expect from a bike these days ? Absolutely none of that I recon. Perhaps the BSA is being compared to machines with endless power, pinpoint handling, sewing-machine smooth engine, the list goes on, and is that fair ? What I can say is it has the look and feel of the 1960's British bikes. It does start, it will overtake anything from 40-60 without a run-up. The vibration is almost non-existent. It does all the things I loved on the old AJS without the problems. The fastest I went was 60. In town, it needs 4th for 30mph or it will chug. It is a good, honest bobbler that can also go when modern traffic dictates. The fan came on a couple of times probably due to extra heat from a tight engine, but no drama. It also gathered a few fans wherever I parked up (Is it restored ? I thought they went out of business ? Have you customised and old one ?). I clocked up 75 miles and am absolutely delighted. I expect it to be fully run in before the Derbyshire trip in spring. I only need some period-looking paniers (Which BSA make) and I have a successor to my AJS, which was a pair of boots the Superdream couldn't quite fill. Depreciation ? It's a bike, not a portfolio. Looks really nice Steve. I'm sure you'll going to enjoy riding it. Yes that warranty with breakdown is a nice reassurance. I found out my RE I bought as a 2 year old had a three year breakdown, so one year left for me. I used it a few weeks back as it had an electrical no start issue that I could not fi d the source of. Turned out it was the battery, so felt a real prat when the breakdown guy told me! I had checked and it was fully charged, but apparently not producing enough current to power the starter. Probably be cause the bike had not been ridden much over previous two years killed it.
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terryc
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Post by terryc on Oct 25, 2024 18:18:38 GMT
Stuart Fillingham on you tube has one of these BSA and he thinks they are great, like the enfields they are budget bikes and so some parts are on the cheap side but you get a lot of bike for your money ,my enfield has been perfect since the day I bought it some bits I've replaced for better items and I'll be fitting a new battery next spring (the originals are'nt very good ) .If the old brit bikes had been built as well as these then we might have still got a british bike industry .
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Post by marktrower on Oct 25, 2024 19:31:18 GMT
up to the 60s they were built very well terry the 70s till there death not so plus lack of development and investment the italians and americans nearly went the same way.look how the car industry went that went well for the uk.its just how the modern world is if you cannot compete you die
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Post by bazzer on Nov 14, 2024 18:45:29 GMT
Steve, how’s the Goldstar doing?
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