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Won't run
Jul 12, 2022 18:45:35 GMT
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Post by john1957 on Jul 12, 2022 18:45:35 GMT
Hi all just rebuild the engine on my 1980 super dream, but I can't get it to run sometimes it will start and tick over for a few minutes, but it will not rev at all. Carbs have been sonic cleaned twice and aqua cleaned, all new carb kits fitted and air screws two turns out as stated in the manual, any thoughts on this would appreciate thanks John.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 19:23:44 GMT
The fact that it runs for a few moments suggests a fuel issue. If you disconnect the fuel line from the carbs does fuel flow freely into a vessel? If not the fuel tank filter on the tap may be blocked. Similarly, when you reconnect the fuel pipe, turn the tap on and open up one of the carb drain screws does fuel run out freely? If not it could be stuck floats or float needle. You do not mention the choke. My 400NC won't start without choke and won't idle until the choke has been on for a few minutes. Of course all bikes are different. If it is not a fuel issue my bike would not rev and it was a faulty CDI unit. Dennis
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Won't run
Jul 12, 2022 19:47:54 GMT
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Post by john1957 on Jul 12, 2022 19:47:54 GMT
Hi Dennis it has a new pet cock on it and fuel runs freely through the carbs, do you know if there is a way to check the cdi unit, it also has a good spark but the plugs seem to soot up.
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Post by buster on Jul 12, 2022 20:38:13 GMT
daft question, are the choke butterflies stuck?
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Won't run
Jul 13, 2022 10:42:37 GMT
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Post by john1957 on Jul 13, 2022 10:42:37 GMT
Choke is working fine already checked that thanks anyway.
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Post by buster on Jul 13, 2022 15:33:32 GMT
so mixture/pilot screws 2 out (I'm assuming 250?) its the black plugs that are throwing me a bit. did you fit new pilot screws with spring, washer and oring? are they in the correct order? did you carefully fish out all remnants of the old orings.
if all is good there I'd be suspecting the ignition system, test the stator first (rex's speedshop have good figures for that) if thats ok its worth trying a new coil, its obvious I know but make sure its got a really good earth, after that your looking at the cdi. easiest way to check the cdi is to fit a known good one, otherwise its send the whole kit and caboodle to a shop like rex's for testing. hope this helps
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Post by willy3pigs on Jul 13, 2022 16:04:12 GMT
Years ago I owned a Russian 650 flat twin that needed a new exhaust, duly arrived. I wiped off the brown waxy Cosmoline protective coating, and fitted the exhaust, only to find I had the same symptoms you describe.
It's a bit of a longshot, but it may be worth checking you don't have some sort of an exhaust obstruction as I did, my new pipes were almost solid inside with Cosmoline wax, the same symptoms as if someone stuck a spud in the exhaust, black plugs and would only run briefly. As I say, very unlikely but worth eliminating it from the list..
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Won't run
Jul 13, 2022 18:19:38 GMT
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Post by john1957 on Jul 13, 2022 18:19:38 GMT
Hi thanks for getting back to me, all the parts in the carbs have been replaced and all set to the manual, the carbs were thoroughly cleaned sonic cleaned twice. Today i have had the stator checked out by a friend of mine who is an auto electrician and he said it is working fine,he also checked the coil and that's fine to, so tomorrow I shall pull the silencers of just out of curiosity thanks once again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2022 17:37:18 GMT
Sorry I don't know how to test the CDI unit. I had a good spare and fitting that cured to the no-rev issue. Good luck curing the problem. Dennis
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Post by ian on Jul 14, 2022 20:59:35 GMT
Don't know much about testing them myself, but you can check the advance is working with an ordinary strobe light and the Honda manual (download in 'Manuals' section) has a schematic which might help checking connections etc. Don't think anyone on here has posted a problem with the 250 CDI, unlike the 400 which quite a few have had to replace, including both my 400s, which now have Rex CDIs while my 250 is still running round on the original. Conversely, 250 carbs seem to give lots of trouble but I've not had any trouble from my 400's carbs . Might be worth a look at the 'a new carb guide' up in the sticky threads at the top of this section
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2022 11:27:17 GMT
Ian, Good shout. I should have thought of that. I used a strobe to check things AFTER fitting a replacement CDI to my 400NC. It never occurred to me to test what I thought was a faulty one. The strobe should be powered from an independent source not the bike battery for best effect. I used a cheap item from eBay bought for less than £20 but it works fine for that type of check. You can see the advance working with the alternator cover off. If the frame has been powder-coated make sure there is a good bare metal earth for the CDI mounting on the frame. Dennis
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Post by ian on Jul 15, 2022 20:40:22 GMT
Have to confess, I didn't strobe test either of my 400s when they had running problems due to faulty CDIs. On my 400NA the fault was intermittent at first, started off ok then couldn't do more than 30mph for a few miles, then went ok again, but after doing this a couple of times, one day it wouldn't start - no spark. Pinching parts from my 250, I swapped the coil - still no spark, then the CDI - ran fine, Rex CDI no.1. When the 400 one went, it felt like empty fuel was running out, but I just stuck the 250 CDI in & it never did did it again, so Rec n.2. I used the strobe light many years before when my 400NA wasn't running right, no power & wouldn't rev and I had to limp home from work. Felt like carbs, so stripped & cleaned them along with new gaskets etc. No improvement, so bought a cheap strobe light from ebay & the advance looked ok, SI didn't think it could be the CDI. After trying each of these things & others I would take it for a short test ride - no improvement, until on one test I heard the engine knocking - big end had gone! Engine rebuild no.1. Didn't touch the carbs, coil or CDI during the engine rebuild, but once it was back together it ran fine. That was 15 years ago & I still don't understand what caused the poor running. Never touched the carbs since then & it many years later the CDI finally packed up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2022 17:03:04 GMT
Cathartic!
Ten out of ten for honesty :-) Dennis
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2022 9:08:21 GMT
Were the black rubber bungs replaced in the carbs ? If they leak badly or drop out you get a very rich mixture . Jets not swapped positions ?
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