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Post by superdream500 on Apr 11, 2018 16:51:54 GMT
i think many riders do it without realising but there are a few riders out there (my sister being one of them) who actually steer their bike around a bend. the problem with that is the fact that your tyre contact patch isnt quite in contact as it should be. one of the best examples ive seen is of a red ducati crashing at mullholland drive. i dont know how to put youtube clips on here so you will have to look for it! in slo-mo you can see the rider turning the bars into the bend with the inevitable results. the only other problem with this whole counter steering issue is that some riders might feel that their riding isnt up to standard as they have no idea what we are talking about! what i would say is, as long as youre happy and feel safe as you ride, just enjoy.
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Post by listey on Apr 12, 2018 12:19:20 GMT
Blimey, this is an old thread. As previously said, everyone uses counter-steering. It's not physically possible to steer the bike "conventionally" once at speed and the gyroscopic forces of the wheels take over. It's not magic or voodoo, it's just how a bike steers. It's only called counter-steering when you are aware of it and can consciously perform the inputs. To initiate a right hand turn, the front wheel has to be turned briefly in the opposite direction (left). This then tips the bike over to the right and the bike starts to turn into the corner with the front wheel following a larger arc than the rear. The steering is then brought back around centre to allow the bike to follow this arc, with tiny adjustments to keep it balanced and tracked into the corner. To exit the turn, the front wheel is turned right, bringing both wheels back in-line and the bike stands up and straightens out. Some folk think they're leaning the bike over into the corner physically and steering it in, but during the lean-in process they naturally put pressure on the inside bar. It's this effect that causes the bike to turn. Have a go, find a nice wide quiet road, sit bolt-upright and push gently on the inside bar (or pull on the outside) without leaning over at all. The bike will lean over on its own and you will start to turn in the desired direction. Balance the bike normally in the turn and push the outside bar to exit. The bike will stand itself up and you'll be off straight again. Then try leaning over on the bike while going straight, with no steering input whatsoever (look mum, no hands and the bike will pretty much continue in a straight line. It's only a tiny push on the bars mind, the faster you push, the more aggressively the bike will turn. If you've ever ridden a trike or quad, you'll have noticed that they feel alien at first. This isn't because you cant lean them over, it's because you have too steer conventionally and you've spent all your life counter-steering pushbikes and motorbikes. Hope that makes sense.
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Post by davefirestorm on Apr 12, 2018 17:13:41 GMT
As said we all do it,it comes naturally and we don’t think about it,reckon if you did think consciously about it you’d fall off lol.
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Post by peakdreamer on Apr 13, 2018 14:12:29 GMT
Very useful to get your head around counter steering (aggressively if need be) for hazard avoidance but as already said you are already probably doing it intuitively without realising. Google/youtube "moto gymkhana" humbling to watch for a rider of my abilities.
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