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Post by Graeme on Oct 30, 2020 16:21:37 GMT
I had a read of a post or a comment the other day, might have been Mansell and it got me thinking.
The point made was restoring a bike with NOS parts and the availability of NOS parts and the task ahead nowadays.
This got me thinking and I will tell you why.
I have several 250 SuperDreams, some will never ever see tarmac of any kind unless thrown at them and several that will.
One good bike from them all and it will have not all NOS parts, but all genuine Honda SD parts, but refurbished.
Of course some parts will have to be NOS genuine that are needed and available.
Would there be a difference in the selling price gained between the two do you think as against the cost of an NOS rebuild?
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Post by BritPete on Oct 30, 2020 20:05:04 GMT
The value is what someone will pay
Personally I would rather have original parts than pattern and I think NOS will raise higher price but Old parts should get a better price than new Pattern
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Post by Graeme on Oct 30, 2020 20:30:58 GMT
The value is what someone will pay Personally I would rather have original parts than pattern and I think NOS will raise higher price but Old parts should get a better price than new Pattern I have no doubt as to what someone will pay for a bike, will vary. We are not talking about pattern parts But, for example...a NOS front mudguard for say £200+ Or re-chrome your own (if you have one) for £100. A proper re-chrome, rivets out, the underneath rust free, still an original part that has been refurbished...what's it worth? Would you pay the same for that or an NOS....no, but they are the same age, maybe now with better chroming techniques they would last longer. I was told by a chrome fella, when I questioned what he was charging for his chroming as regards to buying a new one. He said, the "original one wont last for shit" "my re-chrome will" What do you think? Gee.
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Post by duffer on Oct 30, 2020 20:41:46 GMT
Interesting one this. I have seen this evolve with my other hobby, old aircraft. Perhaps one of the most desired aircraft even today is the Spitfire, and for obvious reasons, you are not going to find much left of an old one that you dug up. But when the iron curtain lifted a bit they did find a few more wrecks which found their way into the restoration workshops. Just about all they had in them that could still fly was the identification plate, everything else was made as original-new and then fitted with a restored Merlin. Original ? Hhhmm, sort of ? But you still need a million and a half to own it. So perhaps all can be forgiven if you just want one and they are rare. Going to be a VERY long time before we get there though.
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Post by Graeme on Oct 30, 2020 20:50:39 GMT
Interesting one this. I have seen this evolve with my other hobby, old aircraft. Perhaps one of the most desired aircraft even today is the Spitfire, and for obvious reasons, you are not going to find much left of an old one that you dug up. But when the iron curtain lifted a bit they did find a few more wrecks which found their way into the restoration workshops. Just about all they had in them that could still fly was the identification plate, everything else was made as original-new and then fitted with a restored Merlin. Original ? Hhhmm, sort of ? But you still need a million and a half to own it. So perhaps all can be forgiven if you just want one and they are rare. Going to be a VERY long time before we get there though. £1.5m for a restored Spitfire...can we club in? Bargain. I know, a while before we are scouring Russia for SuperDream parts....begs the Question, did they sell any there or did any find their way there? We all have parts that can be used again, one mans trash is another mans treasure. Gee.
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Post by duffer on Oct 30, 2020 21:21:47 GMT
Interesting one this. I have seen this evolve with my other hobby, old aircraft. Perhaps one of the most desired aircraft even today is the Spitfire, and for obvious reasons, you are not going to find much left of an old one that you dug up. But when the iron curtain lifted a bit they did find a few more wrecks which found their way into the restoration workshops. Just about all they had in them that could still fly was the identification plate, everything else was made as original-new and then fitted with a restored Merlin. Original ? Hhhmm, sort of ? But you still need a million and a half to own it. So perhaps all can be forgiven if you just want one and they are rare. Going to be a VERY long time before we get there though. £1.5m for a restored Spitfire...can we club in? Bargain. I know, a while before we are scouring Russia for SuperDream parts....begs the Question, did they sell any there or did any find their way there? We all have parts that can be used again, one mans trash is another mans treasure. Gee. History was that some were sent there but mostly Hurricains. Given to the Russians as they had no air force to speak of at the time. We shared a common enemy at the time, so that was why.
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Post by mansell on Oct 31, 2020 7:46:12 GMT
I had a read of a post or a comment the other day, might have been Mansell and it got me thinking. The point made was restoring a bike with NOS parts and the availability of NOS parts and the task ahead nowadays. This got me thinking and I will tell you why. I have several 250 SuperDreams, some will never ever see tarmac of any kind unless thrown at them and several that will. One good bike from them all and it will have not all NOS parts, but all genuine Honda SD parts, but refurbished. Of course some parts will have to be NOS genuine that are needed and available. Would there be a difference in the selling price gained between the two do you think as against the cost of an NOS rebuild? For me it was about achieving a “factory finish” NOS is the only way to do it, I’ve seen countless restored bikes, front forks are an example, often cleaned and polished to a very high standard but they have a restored look to them, it’s very difficult to achieve a factory finish. Wheels are another example, very difficult to get the factory look. Don’t get me wrong, there are some outstanding restorations out there and some people are masters at it, imho though a restored machine will have tell tale signs but for the vast majority of buyers it’ll be more than good enough but if you stand a nos rebuild next to it the difference would be obvious. From a buyers perspective however I don’t think most buyers would be prepared to pay the premium of a NOS rebuild. I’d guess you could restore a bike for half the cost of using NOS and you could achieve a great result. That’s good enough for most. £3k for a well sorted SD finished to a high standard or £6k for a NOS rebuild? It’s a hell of a premium to pay. Those prices are reserved for mint originals and even then they struggle to achieve the big money, too much nice kit out there competing for your £6k. If NNR hadn’t got the personal connection I wouldn’t have spent as much as I did. I was trying to re-create the bike I once owned as I remembered it, but she’s now a show pony that’s retired. A nice thing to own and gaze upon with a cuppa in my shed. ( if you’ve read Henry Cole’s new book, that might resonate) only coming out occasionally to keep it moving. I’ve got a couple of other machines for normal use. Also, She’s so bleddy heavy compared to my cb300r. Almost twice the weight I reckon. Some will say that the point of a motorcycle is to ride it and I take that point but when you’ve so much invested and god forbid I dropped her I’d struggle to replace any NOS parts that were damaged so I’ll get my fix from the Monkey and the CB300R. NNR is retired and owning such a mint example gives me a very warm fuzzy feeling, I’d flirted with parting company but my wife slapped me around the face with a wet fish until I saw sense. The CB300R feels like a spiritual successor to the SD. A similar package and not intimidating to ride. They are chalk and cheese to ride but recreate the buzz I used to get on NNR back in the day, now that is priceless...
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Post by BritPete on Oct 31, 2020 9:54:55 GMT
The value is what someone will pay Personally I would rather have original parts than pattern and I think NOS will raise higher price but Old parts should get a better price than new Pattern I have no doubt as to what someone will pay for a bike, will vary. We are not talking about pattern parts But, for example...a NOS front mudguard for say £200+ Or re-chrome your own (if you have one) for £100. A proper re-chrome, rivets out, the underneath rust free, still an original part that has been refurbished...what's it worth? Would you pay the same for that or an NOS....no, but they are the same age, maybe now with better chroming techniques they would last longer. I was told by a chrome fella, when I questioned what he was charging for his chroming as regards to buying a new one. He said, the "original one wont last for shit" "my re-chrome will" What do you think? Gee. Interesting debate For SME I have 3 sets of heat shields - A very good set original used bought from Germany - look great but marked - A rechromed set all paneled beated before chrome - look fantastic - a NOS set which in my opinion dont look quite as good as the rechromed
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Post by Graeme on Oct 31, 2020 10:16:02 GMT
I have no doubt as to what someone will pay for a bike, will vary. We are not talking about pattern parts But, for example...a NOS front mudguard for say £200+ Or re-chrome your own (if you have one) for £100. A proper re-chrome, rivets out, the underneath rust free, still an original part that has been refurbished...what's it worth? Would you pay the same for that or an NOS....no, but they are the same age, maybe now with better chroming techniques they would last longer. I was told by a chrome fella, when I questioned what he was charging for his chroming as regards to buying a new one. He said, the "original one wont last for shit" "my re-chrome will" What do you think? Gee. Interesting debate For SME I have 3 sets of heat shields - A very good set original used bought from Germany - look great but marked - A rechromed set all paneled beated before chrome - look fantastic - a NOS set which in my opinion dont look quite as good as the rechromed Can you take a pic of the three together Pete? Just to see if a camera pics it up. Gee.
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Post by BritPete on Oct 31, 2020 13:12:49 GMT
Interesting debate For SME I have 3 sets of heat shields - A very good set original used bought from Germany - look great but marked - A rechromed set all paneled beated before chrome - look fantastic - a NOS set which in my opinion dont look quite as good as the rechromed Can you take a pic of the three together Pete? Just to see if a camera pics it up. Gee. Will get them out the loft tomorrow
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Post by Graeme on Nov 21, 2020 16:36:37 GMT
Can you take a pic of the three together Pete? Just to see if a camera pics it up. Gee. Will get them out the loft tomorrow Any luck getting into the loft for some pics Pete? Line the up and let us guess what is what. Gee.
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Post by BritPete on Nov 21, 2020 18:25:36 GMT
Found 2 of the 3 sets
Will have another look for the 3rd tomorrow
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Post by Graeme on Dec 11, 2020 18:50:23 GMT
Hiya Pete, any luck yet in the loft hunt?
Just curious to see if we can see a difference.
Cheers.
Gee.
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Post by mansell on Dec 17, 2020 8:16:35 GMT
Still looking for a decent set of crash bars (front) suitable for re- chrome if anyone has a set 🤔
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Post by stevegbr on Dec 17, 2020 9:55:14 GMT
Still looking for a decent set of crash bars (front) suitable for re- chrome if anyone has a set 🤔 Pm sent.
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